I have no reasons for you. Simple answer to your simple question.

about the clinical prctise, i don’t exactly know how bad it is, but i see my roomate who’s the 4th student, always doing the case history at night (not too often however)..erk..

weeks ago, we’re having meeting with the delgtion of MMC, and the said there’s no problem with system here because m’sia med sys recognise it..fuhh..it makes me relieved..

erk…just opinion from me who knows very little…

From what I observed over the past year, I can tell that studying medicine in Russia isn’t easy. Firstly, the medium of instruction for the first 3 years is English. It is quite a problem as the Russian education force in the universities are not as well versed in the English Language as the rest of us. Once, during one of my anatomy lessons I had to go the distance to try to get my lecturer to understand my question. Even then, she could not understand half the things I asked her. This language barrier restricts us from moving deeper into the given materials. We only get what is on the surface. (At least this is true of my experience) However, it all boils down to how much we want to know something and how badly we want to nail it. If we are really inquisitive, nothing can hold us back from going ahead in our pursuit for greater knowledge. This applies to studying medicine in Russia. I was dissatisfied with the teacher not being able to answer my question. I headhunted for another lecturer who was quite reputable for being able to make her students understand almost anything. I went to every nook in the department and finally found her. She went through some of the things with me and guess what, I understood perfectly what I found hard to digest a few days prior to seeing her.

Dear friends, do not consider yourselves under-privileged to be studying in Russia. Look at it this way. What you learn here may not be accessible even to the UK students. And what they learn back there in the UK may seem foreign to us. What matters is that we have the burning desire to learn. This is after all the defining attribute of a true medical student, in my humble opinion.

I will be starting a new chapter of my medical education here in Malaysia. However, I will not forget the things I learned in Russia. Russia obviously did not turn out to be heaven to me. But, I learned a lot there. From friendship to sacrifices as a medical student. I definitely will put in a good word for all Russian medical undergraduates and graduates.

As for the rest of you, keep doing what you do. If you’re struggling, your hard work will pay off! If you’re tired, DON’T GIVE UP! You will be rewarded with abundance in knowledge at the end of the road. As for those who are slacking, WAKE UP! You’re not in secondary school anymore. Please don’t be dispirited or frail hearted by the things you read or hear. People say things. One more thing, I sincerely think that the Russian lecturers are kinda intelligent.

All the best guys! Don’t give up!

Quality wise may raise issues esp for russian grads but eventually its How we choose to act; our choice and action that governs us whether we make the cut as a good doc or not; n its unfair to conclude this within mo’s a process that takes years.

This story was told to me by a sen.consultant during my 1st yr practicals. He told us “Sooner or later u are bound to kill someone. It could be because its one of those very rare diseases wit vague S&S n tests couldnt pick it up on time… patient came too late; or because the appropriate t’ment/intervention has not yet been properly established ..no cure ; or because the technology to diagnose/tests to confirm diagnosis doesnt exist yet… But it should never be because of our ignorance.

That little speech stuck wit me for life.. Because he showed ( i emphasis visually cause seein sticks wit us longer than jus words right:-) us that doctors by proffesion is life long studyin n learnin job; thats the only way to keep up..n to not be ignorant. He also taught us Saving lifes is by TEAMwork.. and there’s no other way around it. From the patient to the nurses to HO to SHO to GP to specialist to Radiography dept ppl to bld works ..etc, we do our job by vastly relyin on others as they do on us; its the way we get our info..n correctly come to a conclusion. Every single step in our deduction process makes a difference whether its visually seen or not. Unfortunately not enough attention is paid on these simple matters….

So if a revolutions gotta start; then its gotta affect all these aspects.. If not.. No true improvement or change as u perhaps will settle..

Jus food for thought when graduates work.. The reality sinks and often cruelly reflects wheter u jus passed the exams or actually put in a few extra effort on ur own without order or guidance or complainin… [hard to find combo there days in students..:-)] Jus because u’re curious. Thats the truth my friend … those are the ones that will put down their names in history as opposed to jus bein history.

Lets support those few rare beautiful flowers that M’sian born Russian graduates who are out there actually trying to be better n to make a difference…

Sorry if its a drag guys… must be the generation gap…He he

I somehow agree on the part “ask and you’ll be given”. This is the active group of students you are talking about. And there’s also “You don’t ask, you get nothing” – which is the passive group of students.

I do not have the precise data on how many students are active and how many are passive (or complainers). But you and I know, those 2 groups exist in our academy. The active one will get better and the passive will get worse especially in clinical setting.

As you said, these passive students will not go to lectures, refuse to adapt, don’t study much and hate everything about the system and probably Russia.

But will the passive ones graduate? Sure, why not? The only thing a med student in Russia should do is pass the exam by the end of each semester and they’re just as good as those who worked their assess off burning the midnight oil, and getting all fives in exam without cheating!

And eventually these people start working and incorporated into our already messy healthcare system.

Say if I put the same passive students in Malaysian university. They don’t go to lectures, they refuse to adapt, don’t study much etc. What do you think will happen?

Before they can even graduate, they drop out med school. They are NOT incorporated into the healthcare system.

Yeah you should blog.

cheers, Emu

1. Someone offered me sympathy. That’s very nice and thoughtful, but I don’t need one.

2. Someone supports my ideas, but there’s no further details to why he/she supports it

3. Some people used profanities to bash another commenter. That’s not very nice and let’s not start any fight here.

4. Then there’s a know-it-all narcissist nagging me about diary and beauty of blogging yada yada…

5. Someone also made a good joke out of the situation. I appreciate the humor, really.

But none of those were really discussing about my points in the real entry, most people are so focused with the comments and are flamed by them, like my previous hot topic.

In a serious and lengthy discussion, I strongly advice my beloved blog readers and commenters to NOT stray out of topic.

If no one is really up to discuss my entry points, I shall close this topic and the comment box temporarily so that everybody chills and not post OT comments only to be unapproved in the end.

Re-opened. Please stay in topic.

Oh encik faiz, aku taknak ulas banyak2 sebab aku pun tak rasa study aku dah mantap nak kutuk2 orang lain mahupun mana2 university, apatah lagi aku dengar study ko gempak giler skrg.

efenem: Tq

Kena kutuk and kena bambu dengan doktor2 di Malaysia adalah perkara lumrah dan normal. Kalau tak silap aku budak2 yang graduate locally je yang kurang sikit kene kutuk sebab mereka telah dilatih untuk fit in nicely with the local establishment. Bukan sahaja budak dari Russia, tak silap aku budak2 dari Ireland pun slalu kene maki, tu belom lagi masuk budak2 yang graduate dari India, Indonesia, Egypt, Czech dan entah mana-mana lagi tah. Member aku siap ada cerita sorang grad dari Jepun yang nak amik blood untuk test telah tersilap cari vein dan darah2 luka yang mengalir dia main sedut je masuk n layan. Bad doctors come out from everywhere, not only from Russia even though the amount of bad doctors that Russia hypothetically churns out every year can be quite debatable.

I know

I think in the end it boils down to how much an individual really wants to master the knowledge and the expertise of medicine. Seorang kawan aku yang buat praktikal masa masih lagi 3rd year telah berjaya beat sorang budak H/O dari USM bila ditanya satu soalan pasal rheumatoid arthritis dan dia cuma menjawab berpandukan nota Pathology Anatomy yang tunggang terbalik englishnya yang diprepare oleh cikgu kitorang yang hampeh English juga. Now you may rebuke that that might be an isolated case, but in the end it is the desire to learn and how are you gonna benefit from what you’ve stuffed into your head; are they just gonna be good for exams or are they going to serve you well in real time practice. I think this is our main problem~ most of us study only to pass exams. (termasuklah aku, oh).

First 5 years of postgraduate life is interesting. MOs can be stupider than the med students

I think your frustation stems out from seeing your peers not giving enough efforts to try to become a good doctor,(termasuklah aku juga, oh) who later when they graduate will mar the good name of the entire Russia and directly will affect you in the future. No matter what bad pre-conceived ideas that the our superiors may have formed about graduates from Russia, in the end its one man for himself. Lantaklah kalau budak2 lain nak kantoi ke hape, if u have made enough efforts to be distinguished from the crowd, then you should be happy about it. Adakah engkau mengharapkan doktor2 di Malaysia untuk berlembut dan mengusap2 kepala engkau sambil memuji-muji oh doktor2 keluaran Russia sungguh berkualiti dan bermutu tinggi. I know the doctors in MAlaysia are infamous for their merciless behavior towards us future HOs. You only need to endure 2 years of the bad treatment, then after 2 years is up, nobody’s gonna care if you graduated from Ireland, Romania, Russia or Bangladesh if you’ve proven yourself to be such a kick-ass doctor.

I also believe that those who put more effort earns more. Keep speculating

I don’t know what’s your intention of doing all these entries about the sub-standard level of medical education in Russia. Adakah untuk berdakwah, sebagai menyebarkan ilmu kpd rakan-rakan yang lain, atau untuk menggenapkan senarai pelawat kepada 5 angka. Kalau untuk berdakwah, alhamdulillah la, semoga Allah memberkati dan menunjukkan jalan yang lurus. Kalau untuk menyebarkan ilmu, baiklah hang bubuh kata2 semangat motivasi sempena musim exam nie, your peers do not need to know that their university sucks and the least you can do is write something like, hey don’t f**cking forget what you read during this exam preparation season coz you’ll be f**cking needing them when you return to practice in Malaysia. Dan kalau niat hang untuk mencapai 5 angka jumlah pelawat, syabas aku ucapkan atas accomplishment itu.

Keep on speculating

Now that we’ve learned the bitter truth that Russia sucks and no, we’re no longer in denial, tell me please Faiz, what should we do? What should we do? Don’t tell me I gotta get back into studying for summer exams. There’s gotta be more! There’s gotta be more!

Walk an extra mile

In the end, aku setuju la dengan Sharma atau sapa2 kat atas tu, kalau hang serious towards the betterment of education level in Russia you should spend more time instead to write to your Dean’s office or even better hantaq surat kat Menteri Pengajian Tinggi, Menteri Kesihatan etc. These are doable things.

Aku xbg kat Deans. Aku bg kat concerned parties only. I also alerted the concerned docs but no feedbacks yet.

Oh and please la Faiz, (though this is totally unrelated), your blog is so like a diary. Who else write annual review about themselves and even have gossip columns to boot.

Well then, Hazreen establishes that every blog with personal elements in it is a diary. Congratulations.

For someone yang tak nak ulas banyak2, i certainly do. Mintak maaf.

Salam wrt.

1. I turned down this kind of challenge because it’s all about egoism rather than fighting for the real thing. I did not need to think a split second to turn it down, it’s all by reflex. If I ever take up that challenge, it proves nothing more than my shallow egoism.

2. Even if I am to speak with the administrators, I’d speak about the most concerned areas in our education here; which are the clinical practices and the exam. Let me first elaborate the exam. The method of examination here has been tradition for ages, not just in our academy, but also in various educational institutions in Russia. Imagine me saying to the Deans “Hey, Dean. How about changing the exam methods, can or not?” Answer me honestly, do I stand even one in a million chance to change the exam system??? Furthermore, do I look like a constant 5-pointers for my suggestion to be taken into consideration?

3. Clinical practices. Like our respected commenters Sanu and Eugene Sharma Henry said; it’s currently best to just ask the teachers to see more patients and be on call with them. I really agree. But that only proves the defect with the system. It is flexible, yes. It is flexible for hardworking medical students to get more knowledge but it is also flexible for unmotivated med students to laze around. However, the official extra practicals are not without price. Do you know the bureaucracy to get thru only to do the practicals? Remember, JPA had to pay the deans for its scholars to do extra practicals so that the supervising doctors get a fatter paycheck, if not the administrators. If more fees are needed for extra clinical practices – quite a headache for private students. Thus the best thing for now are only Sanu’s and Eugene Sharma Henry’s suggestions, which only benefit a few students, alas.

4. The Lectures. If the lecture here is good enough for you, then I shall respect your opinion. For me, I like better listening to the lectures delivered by professors from other countries, or reading emedicine and the thick textbooks.

Hopefully that satisfies your curiosity…

why nt take his challenge if u r worried abt our education? go discuss with the deans office abt improving our education

i think the lectures here r good lah… it’s nt substandard. i learn a lot frm lectures… then discuss the lectures in practical classes for more understanding.

work hard and we r gonna be fine.

Alright since the comments have deviated big time, let me pull everyone back on track.

The first few arguments were fine because people are talking about the points in my entry. But later it deviated from talking about the points in my entry to talking about me.

Let’s not talk about anyone anymore here, not me, not anyone else. Talk about my entry. Find loopholes. Find mistakes. Prove me wrong. Prove them wrong.

Because it’s best to be proven wrong – it’s good for everyone in the Russian medical education system.

Guys, debate all you want here. But gentlemen would probably leave the harsh words at where they belong : the blogosphere and nowhere out of the cyberspace.

Just sayin, the scenario of efenem and sharma engaging in a wrestling battle or hair pulling competitions is certainly something that I don’t wish to witness in my present lifetime.

Of coz i know both of u are great docs to be who probably will never risk their reputation and maturity for trivial matters like this

CHILL GUYS!

(actually will be quite the interesting hor if got WWF in nizhny??hehe just kidding!)

if only those energy were to be channelled to a more productive and constructive site…..if only those love and passion were to be given to those needy patients….this world would be a better place to live in…..

it’s a pity you guys did not take up law…..judging by the way u guys debated, picking every single word to argue and to support it with such huge words…….simply marvellous…..

p/s: tsk tsk tsk…efenem….have respect for your seniors ok….do u know that eugene sharma started a blog long before u did?? do not call him a non bloggers ok…..i used to enjoy reading his blog….but that was long long time ago la….i wish he would start blogging again…..

and in my humble opinion, both of you got ur ideas across….further arguements will oni be about who’s english standards are better in giving more illustrative ideas and to put it in a more beautiful description….

obviously both of u think u are right to continue such a long conversation which took me sometime to read…..and obviously both of u failed to convince others to accept your ideas…..(if u even tried to)…..

don listen to those loosers who tell you to stop arguing (no offence….hahaha)…..this positive energy is a good motivation….fight! fight! fight!!….whahahaaha….

(just don point the arrows to me)

p/s: i don support war, just the passion and enthusiasm that comes together with it….lol

By challenging him, why not challenging yourself?
And I think efenem distinguished between blog and diary pretty well coz blog is a shared online journal where people can post diary entries about their personal experiences, point of views and hobbies.
I enjoy reading his blog. I like different point of views. If u started a blog, I’d like to be your daily viewer.
It’s better to blog. Let it be an archive of yours coz others might not remember what you’re telling them orally.
Let’s blog bersama-sama.
And if i wasn’t mistaken, didn’t he write “If you don’t want to get through this, you may leave.”
Hmmmm….

What I posted here is just explaining the concerned doctors. Other people have their rights to label this post as whining, complaining or bitching, but for me I’m simply explaining.

Every hurting truth starts with denial…